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Really extremely cramped engine bay lengthwise. yeah, had actually already figured that out ... it was a tongue in cheek message, that I really did not explain ... my poor In reply to spitfirebill: I included that point since when I needed to find a substitute 4.9 for my F150, I had to go via every one in every junkyard in South Jacket to discover one that had not been sludged up really severely.
Bernie: Which is a far better van, while we're going to speak regarding a few issues of these vans, but I I'm clearly not going to come out and state one is better than the various other. Bernie: Well, they're essentially the very same lorry.
They appear to be a bit a lot more utilized in that location, however, you know, those are several of the uses, however they're basically the very same classification of automobile. Mark: So, well, allow's start with engines then. What issues do you see in between these 2 vehicles? Bernie: Yeah. So allow's speak about engine and in fact just to define that the model years, we're going to begin with 2000 and up, you understand, I imply, these vans have been around for a long time.
And, you understand, for a variation of a Chevy van has been around because, you understand, around that time also. Because 2000, I imply, Ford's, you can get these with V6 engines or V8s.
You recognize, Fords, and most of them come with the Triton V8. There's a great deal of issues with these engines. In the earlier 2000 stimulate plugs with blow to these engines, because they didn't have adequate threading in the stimulate plug, which triggered troubles. And often that would happen when you may be in a 15 passenger bus rising a hill with a tons of individuals and all of an abrupt boom, a trigger plug bulges and you're stranded.
So if you're purchasing anything from probably 08 and more recent, you're not going to have that sort of trigger plug concerns. Various other areas though, with the Fords that we see, consumption manifolds will certainly leakage, they'll create coolant leaks. It's a plastic manifold typically you have to change the entire thing.
And there's some issues, the Ford engine I have to state in their favour, because I'm talking concerning issues, it's an extra advanced engine. Expenses web cam, so you're getting even more power and performance out of the engine than you would certainly on a Chevy, which is a simpler style with press poles.
They're just really pretty good, resilient, solid engines. You know, being a van, obviously, you recognize, doing any service on them is extra complicated since you've reached eliminate that cover and obtain into maintenance in strange ways. However things like ignition system last an awful long period of time, so they do not need to be changed really typically.
Mark: Can you purchase these vans with diesel motor? Bernie: You can and we do service a few of them. I can not believe of if we've ever done a Chevy, however Chevy, they're offered from 2006 to 16 with a Duramax diesel. The Fords have actually had diesels in them for a long period of time, like means back before the 2000 version year.
So, you understand, that's still available. I would not recommend a diesel unless you're hauling incredibly heavy loads. Diesels require to be functioned. That's truly the lower line with a diesel. If you're a say, I don't recognize, I'm simply going to claim a plumbing professional and you have actually obtained like a great deal of heavyweight inside your van and you're pulling a trailer behind it, that would certainly be an actually great use of having a diesel powered van.
In all justness, it appears like the diesels are, they appear to have less problems in vans than they perform in the vehicles. Most likely due to the fact that they aren't functioned so hard, however when points take place, they're really costly to repair. We have actually got a great deal of video clips and information about diesels, especially the Fords.
You really require to think two times concerning obtaining a diesel in a van. That's my suggestion. Mark: Yeah, so suitable for function, see to it that you're fitting the engine that you're purchasing for the purpose that you're endeavouring to accomplish. Bernie: Yeah, exactly. And I will certainly say, Chevy is virtually limited to V8 engines, yet Ford has a V 10 engine also, which is a monstrous gas wolfing engine.
Yet if you're, and once more, we're just speaking about sort of a directly, normal freight van right here. The diesel definitely isn't the very best alternative. Take a look at your purpose, your usage, just how much weight you're hauling and that'll aid you make the choice. Mark: What regarding the transmission and the remainder of the drive train? Bernie: They're quite much equal.
One point that we have not discussed below is what kind of van. These vans are, and it relies on what design, they're offered ever from half load to one ton framework and really a few of the cutaway vans are actually a lot more durable, like, you understand, 450s and 550s for claim the Fords.
Usually the drive trains, you recognize, I find them to be quite much equal. Mark: So let's discuss steering and suspension. Exactly how do they compare? Bernie: You understand, I'm going to provide the side to Ford on this one. And the reason for Ford is that it's a little less complex.
There's much less steering link involved in a Chevy. There are much less components to wear out. They do a sphere joints that wear out. Do Chevy's, yet it seems, and the Chevy's probably last a bit longer than the Fords, yet the, you recognize, the steering link is much less complicated, so there's much less components and much less products to wear out.
The adventure in a Ford is possibly a little bit much more truck like yet I do not understand if you 'd really ever really observed a difference between the 2. It seems like their components are a little harder on the Ford than the Chevy.
For some factor, they appear to last for one brake work. And after that a great deal of times we take the brakes off and say, Oh, the dirt boots torn, therefore the caliper requires to be changed. So I believe on a Ford and you can anticipate to invest a little even more money on brakes and you can on a Chevy.
And I can, I'm going to digress back prior to the 2000 design years, there were some Chevy vans that had truly bad doors. I indicate, the moving doors were crap, you recognize, actually terribly developed. As an issue of reality, I would certainly claim that if you are even looking at something older, it seems like Chevy and GMC vans actually and their trucks as a whole actually took a leap onward in top quality around the 2000 design year, since there was a great deal of stuff where the brakes for example would certainly not last long in all.
But if we're considering the 2000 newer, I imply, I would certainly say they're both most likely practically matching in top quality, fit and finish, you understand, several of the passenger vans, obviously we'll have better visits than the cargo vans. I can't say that one of them stands out to me a little more than the various other.
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